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September 05, 2007

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Tony

Your point about some companies missing the Web.1.0 point struck a chord. I got hired on as a blogger to draw attention to a website startup a while back, while there was no other advertising and marketing occurring. I'm not a marketer, but I had to bring someone in to consult simply because the blog could not generate traffic alone. It seems like some see these new social networks as the new Jesus that will bring the light of truth to them, while they're ignoring the lamps and bookshelves in front of them.

jaklumen

As tempting as it is to cut and paste my reply over Bill's VOX entry for this entry, I'll try to be a little less rambling and more concise.

I think http://mediatedcultures.net/ is a very, very good place to get an academic consideration of Web 2.0, online social networks, and other "mediated cultures".

But as good as I think their main YouTube video is in describing it (see http://youtube.com/watch?v=NLlGopyXT_g), it's still difficult to explain to the "common folk" that aren't well-read and well familiar with computer technology. I sent this video to my father, who didn't know what to make of it, and I'm not sure my explanation was much better.

I don't feel I can adequately comment about social networking, however, without commenting at large on how people use computer technology in general. The term "user friendly" doesn't seem to be used very often. A lot of people are using this technology when they really have no comprehensive idea on how to use it. Jay Leno joked once on the Tonight Show about a new keyboard that would have only the buttons that the masses really wanted: one for e-mail, one for solitaire, one for Googling your name, and one for porn.

Steve Jobs hasn't seemed to get it through his thick head what will get Macs to be widely used. He stepped down and away during the clone wars that made IBM-compatible synonymous with "PC" as in Personal Computer; Apple at that time was too busy crushing the Apple II clone produced by FranklinAce by suing the pants off them.

No doubt, Jobs created a runaway hit with the iPod (the jury is still out on the iPhone), but the new iMac is still hampered by Apple's unyielding stance on proprietary design. You can't get third-party hardware on it; if one thing goes, you have to replace the whole thing.

Speaking of social networking specifically, we have MySpace, which seems to stand as a prime example of web design gone wrong. Few of its users actually know how to code HTML; they are usually restricted to the set format, and use similarly crippled tools to do the coding for them. The result is usually a mess that must be scrolled not just up and down to view, but also side to side.

There's also the persistent problem of what I'd call parasites. I was chagrined to find that YouTube is now infected by spammers of the e-mail variety. I now have spam in my messages there, too, but no way to stop it.

The thing is, though, that some of these downsides seem to come with the territory. I think many of us remember how novel and revolutionary cable was when it first came out, such as MTV showing wall-to-wall videos before Viacom realized that relative tripe was needed to pay the bills. It seems the more established a telecommunications technology is, the more wasteland it seems to generate.

Bill Snyder

Tony: I share your pain. I get requests for blogs that are then followed by lengthy discussions about what blogs are. ("We want one, but first tell us what it is.)

jaklumen: To your point about "user friendly," I think UI design and usability is probably the most overlooked role of web development. I just finished writing copy for a UI design firm's website. I was the third copywriter they called in, and the first one to actually deliver copy that could be used. They're in a tough spot, because most people — even in the tech sector — don't get what UI design is and why it's important. Once a company uses them, they keep coming back. But articulating what they do and why it's important is a real challenge.

As for the iMac, I'm going to cut Jobs a little slack on that one. It's designed for people who want something out-of-the-box. If you go with a Mac Pro, well it may not be as modular as a Windows machine, but there's a lot you can add to it.

Micah Spieler

Here I feel like a layman for not having a TrackBack for your because I DON'T BLOG. ;)

Bill, this article was insightful. Not only did I not know that you had a blog filled with such insight, I had honestly ignored all of the Web 3.0 hype.

I have a few things to comment with.

First, I agree heavily with your "stuffing the internet in a box" analogy that you used to destroy Web 3.0; but at the same time, I feel like you ended up defining Web 3.0. Specifically here:

"I SMS to my blog and receive IMs on my phone. In short, we are creating a web that is truly worldwide, one that stretches beyond computers and beyond information."

That's exactly what "Web 3.0" is, and will be. If Web 2.0 (and maybe I'm not "well-read" enough to truly understand) is what we are experiencing on the internet now, surely Web 3.0 is the infant-steps of mobile web-browsing? If Web 2.0 brought your desktop online, surely we can gestimate that Web 3.0 will bring the internet/desktop into your hand.

To take a stab at Jaklumen, the verdict is still out on the iPhone? Really? The iPhone is the only real web-enabled phone. Sure, my BlackBerry can get my emails, check the weather, news, sports, and update my Facebook status, but when it comes to actually accessing the Internet, it's like dialing up Web 1.0 on a 56k modem all over again. Wikipedia, a simple as it's web UI is, is destroyed without a decent application to decode it's CSS.

The way I see it, what has and will truly define the Web is the technology that sits behind and in front of it. Th revolution of Web 2.0 as we know it was propagated by the acceptance of high-speed internet access. Imagine trying to use Google Maps with a 56k modem? Personal computers can now handle a webpage that opens with hundreds of images and javascript and flash-based animations and navigations. My 2004 computer sometimes struggles under Facebook. But to think that your iPhone (or my iPod Touch) can open those sites, almost flawlessly, while I'm ignoring my professors in lecture, is remarkable. And it will be services that utilize this concept, and shape their information appropriately, that will drive the next generation of the Web.

And to talk about Steve Jobs real fast, Bill I share your slack-cut on this one. I think that the iMac revolutionized the personal computer, and in turn the web (because we all know that now, the only reason to own a computer, is to access the web). Jaklumen, you talked about your father not knowing what to make of the Web 2.0 video? Well, try asking him to replace the motherboard. Or even something as simple as upgrading the RAM. And the truth of the matter is, to keep up with the burgeoning internet alone, computers need to be replaced, or at least significantly upgraded, very very regularly. I think that the only fault Apple has in the creation of their iMac, is the lack of a recycling program, although this might be changing along with their Aluminum and Glass enclosures.

Sorry I rambled. It's the caffeine.

ninka

To my mind, new version Microsoft OS is really great. I have in view one of versions of Windows 7 http://rapid4me.com/?q=Windows+7+Build+6956

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